“Interest Rates Drive Stocks”? See 4 Charts That Tell You the Truth

These 4 charts show why you should be careful with this common investment “wisdom”

By Elliott Wave International

Robert Prechter’s monthly Elliott Wave Theorist once published a ten-part study explaining why traditional financial models failed to foresee the 2007-2009 financial crisis — and, more importantly, why they are doomed to fail again (and again).

On Thursday (Sept. 17), the Fed decided to keep interest rates unchanged. On Friday, stocks opened down big. But before you join those who blame it on the Fed, please read this excerpt from Prechter’s eye-opening study.

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Economic theory holds that bonds compete with stocks for investment funds. The higher the income that investors can get from safe bonds, the less attractive is a set rate of dividend payout from stocks; conversely, the less income that investors can get from safe bonds, the more attractive is a set rate of dividend payout from stocks. A statement of this construction appears to be sensible.

And it would be, if it were made in the field of economics. For example, “Rising prices for beef make chicken a more attractive purchase.” This statement is simple and true. But in the field of finance such statements fly directly in the face of the evidence.

Figure 3 shows a history of the four biggest stock market declines of the past hundred years. They display routs of 54% to 89%.

Figure 3:

In all these cases, interest rates fell, and in two of those cases they went all the way to zero! In those cases, investors should have traded all their bonds for stocks. But they didn’t; instead, they sold stocks and bought bonds. What is it about the value of dividends that investors fail to understand? Don’t they get it?

As in most arguments from exogenous cause…one can argue just as effectively the opposite side of the claim. It is just as easy to sound rational and objective when saying this:

“When an economy implodes, corporate values fall, depressing the stock market. At the same time, demand for loans falls, depressing interest rates. In other words, when the economy contracts, both of these trends move down together. Conversely, when the economy expands, both of these trends move up together. This thesis explains why interest rates and stock prices go in the same direction.”

See? Just as rational and sensible. On this basis, suddenly the examples in Figure 3 are explained. And so are the examples in Figure 4. Right?

Figure 4:

No, they’re not, because, as the first version of the claim would have it, there in fact have been plenty of times when the stock prices rose and interest rates fell. This was true, for example, from 1984 to 1987, when stock prices more than doubled. And there have been plenty of times when stock prices fell and interest rates rose, as in 1973-1974 when stock prices were cut nearly in half. Figures 5 and 6 show examples.

Figure 5:

Figure 6:

At this point, conventional theorists might try formulating a complex web of interrelationships to explain these changing, contradictory correlations. But I have yet to read that any such approach has given any economist an edge in forecasting interest rates, stock prices or the relationship between them.


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What’s Bigger Than a $1.4 Billion Mortgage Ratings Scandal?

You just cannot find better Independent analysis of the markets – I’ve been an EWI subscriber for years and although I don’t fully subscribe to their Elliott Wave theory I still value their research and analysis of the markets very very highly – The Hovis Trader

What’s Bigger Than a $1.4 Billion Mortgage Ratings Scandal?

The great “inflated” expectations for gold, oil, commodities — and now stocks

By Elliott Wave International

Editor’s Note: You can read the text version of this story below the video.

On January 21, one of the biggest financial lawsuits in recent history came to a costly end. The accused, ratings behemoth Standard & Poor’s, agreed to a $1.4 billion settlement for “inflating credit ratings on toxic assets,” thus accelerating and exacerbating the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis.

Settlement aside, there is a far bigger issue here than business ethics or conflicts of interests, which is not likely to get a hearing in the court of mainstream finance.

Which is: The professionals who are supposed to assess investment risks are no better at it than you or I.

Case in point: Think back to November 30, 2001. The world’s largest seller of natural gas and electricity has gone from cash cow to dry bone. Its share price had plummeted 99%, from $90 to just under $1. YET– the company continued to enjoy an “INVESTMENT GRADE” rating.

The company’s name: Enron. Four days later, it filed for the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history.

Enron seems like a distant memory, but what about the subprime mortgage debacle? Moody’s rating service slashed the ratings of 131 subprime bonds due to higher than expected defaults, in July 2007 two years after the market for non-traditional mortgages had already turned.

Spot a trend here? The “experts” failure to anticipate huge trend changes in companies, and in the overall economy. In the first edition of his business best-seller Conquer the Crash, EWI president Bob Prechter wrote:

The most widely utilized ratings services are almost always woefully late in warning of problems within financial institutions. They often seem to get news about a company around the time everyone else does… In several cases, a company can collapse before the standard ratings services know what hit it.”

So here’s the question: What are the experts not seeing now that you and I need to prepare for?

What about gold? In 2012, with prices nearly reclaiming all-time high territory, the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing campaign was supposed to keep the wind at gold’s back.

“Ben Bernanke has just offered gold investors a… gilded invitation to participate in the greatest secular bull market of our time.” (April 14, 2012, Motley Fool)

Then this happened:

The same goes for the 2008 peaks in oil and commodities — two more “safe-havens” that were supposed to benefit from the Fed’s money-printing campaign, but instead prices fell to lows not seen since the 2007 financial crisis.

So, that leaves the remaining outlier — equities, which have climbed to record highs. And, according to the experts, the path of least resistance remains up. A December 14, 2014 article in the New York Times:

“We don’t see a lot on the horizon that could derail the U.S stock market in particular.”

Our January 2015 Elliott Wave Theorist urges caution with this single chart of the S&P 500’s year-end valuations since 1927. Every major peak of the last 90 years landed well outside the normal range: 1929, 1987, 2000, and 2007.

We believe the precarious placement of 2014 sends a similar message: “The stock market and the economy are not in a new multi-decade recovery as economists believe, but very late in a transition phase from boom to bust.”


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Heard about DEflation?

Heres further detail of the Deflation time bomb over hanging us at this time

Debt and Deflation: Three Financial Forecasts

There’s more to deflation than falling prices

By Elliott Wave International

Editor’s note: You’ll find the text version of the story below the video.

Inflation ruled from 1933 to 2008.

Yet in the just-published Elliott Wave Theorist, Bob Prechter’s headline says, “Deflation is Starting to Win.”

Take a look at this chart from The Telegraph:

… the number of countries experiencing ‘lowflation’ has been steadily rising from 2011 (blue line). The eurozone tipped into outright deflation in December, with Germany, Britain and the US also seeing prices rise at near record lows.

The Telegraph, January 14

But as Prechter explains, falling prices are an effect of deflation.

Deflation is not a period of generally falling prices; it is a period of contraction in the total amount of money plus credit. Falling prices in an environment of stable money is indeed a good thing. In fact, in a real-money system, it is the norm, because technology makes things cheaper to produce. But when debt expands faster than production, it becomes overblown, then wiped out, and prices rise and fall in response.

The Elliott Wave Theorist, January 2015

So a major debt buildup is a precondition of deflation. Do we see this today? The third edition of Conquer the Crash shows the answer.

Total dollar-denominated debt has skyrocketed since 1990. The upward trend turned slightly down during the 2007-2009 financial crisis, but has since crept higher.

How fast and how far can this nearly $60 trillion in debt dwindle?

It’s instructive to review the collapse of the 1920s credit bubble.

On the left side of the chart, note how debt deflation needed nearly a decade to unwind.

Today’s mountain of debt is far higher than in 1929, yet our indicators suggest that the next debt deflation could unfold much more rapidly.

The third edition of Conquer the Crash provides 157 forecasts. Here are three:

  • Real estate values will begin to fall again, ultimately more than they did in the 1930s.
  • Hedge funds, mutual funds, money-market funds, managed accounts and brokerage accounts will go out of favor — many will go out of existence.
  • Financial corporations previously bailed out by the Fed and the U.S. government will fail again, as will new ones.

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You were Warned well inadvance

I posted this in February 2014, I’d read it again and then look at what’s been happening since September:

https://thehovistrader.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/now-is-the-time-to-beware/

A little time off

Hi all,

I’ve not disappeared, just taking some time away from the blog and markets.

I’m still fully trading, but rather than being at my computer, I’m doing a few projects around the home and away from the screens.

quick look @ S&P500, tells me that its currently stalling at new highs, It’s been a sideways market since March 2014, overall the trend is stalling but within an uptrend = bias to the upside.

Could it turn into a down trend?  Of course it could, potentially but certainly not confirmed is leg 1 and 2 of an Elliott Wave, but that needs much more content and detail to be proven correct and it is at odds with the overall direction of the market, but it is a possibility.

In my opinion you cannot make classifications that the trend has changed – that would simply be a pure guess – W.D. Gann said “Do not guess, trade facts”.  The overriding facts are uptrend since 2009, no bearish confirmation of late, pullbacks in the overall trend in line with previous in both TIME and PRICE so the outlook must be to the upside and Bullish until the market proves us wrong.

I have no doubt that in the next few months the market (S&P500/FTSE100 etc) will have a fairly decent sell off, I just don’t know exactly when and neither does anybody else.  Following that sell-off will be a very decent buying opportunity, certainly for the short-term and maybe for the long term.

Only time will tell exactly what happens, the trick is being part of it or out of it, not on the wrong side of it – that is what helps you to make money from the markets.

Essential material

Ever wondered why trading has such a high failure rate and why when YOU try to trade methods you end up losing?

Because approx 80% of the crap out there does not work! and you buy it!  I am very fortunate that I’ve never been sucked into the scams out there.

I cannot tell you just how valuable that report is, ignore the wave count parts, unless you’re into EW, the real content is contained for free within the document.

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Triangles are probably the easiest corrective wave pattern to identify, because prices simply trade sideways during these periods. [The graphic below] shows the different shapes triangles can take.

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Jeffrey goes on to provide three real-world examples of the triangle price pattern. Here’s one of them with his accompanying commentary.

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Weekly Time & Price analysis – W/C 7th April 2014

Hi All,

This week we come back to the mighty S&P500, I’ll provide a update to what to look for going forward in this post too.  But first let’s look at last weeks Call for the EURUSD.

We were looking for a LOW, in fact the time zone runs to the 18th April 2014 for a LOW point – so we are still within that zone in both Time and Price.

Right the S&P500, lets review the Price and Time zones and then look at the market itself from a technical point of view

Swing File Analysis

Weekly EURUSD - Time & Price

Projecting the END of the UPSWING on the WEEKLY EURUSD – in the zone now

Daily EURUSD - Time & Price

DAILY Analysis = looking for the LOW of this swing DOWN, again in the ZONE!

Fibonacci Analysis

Weekly EURUSD - Time & Price FIB

Daily EURUSD - Time & Price FIB

DAILY Analysis = Fib counts/analysis says Tuesday 22nd April has the highest number of hits – wait and see.

What to look for going forward – update:

S&P500

WTLFGF1

Look at the chart above, to be honest the critical information is shown on the chart, my words here are just to explain the detail in plain English so that my thoughts are clear.

The PINK horizontal line = a current SUPPORT shelf, If and how long it hold I have no idea (neither does anybody else)

ALL the moving averages are in Bullish mode, pointing up and separated nicely = UPTREND

The PINK moving average gives the impression that price found support at that level – it did, but the support occurred at the PRICE level NOT the moving average – think, on the days of support the moving average was one bar back, PRICE drags the moving averages along, the moving averages do NOT drag price – this is a classic ILLUSION to which people will say “Look, price found support at the MA level” It’s not true, it just happens that the MA met with price at those levels – why did the MA FAIL to support price in June 2013, August 2013, October 2013, Dec 2013?  BECAUSE price found support and the MA was not priced near enough to create the Illusion AND even if it were true that moving averages provide support NO-ONE can tell you in advance WHY or WHEN it will next happen, so there value is pretty limited in my book – BUT they [Moving Averages] are good at helping you see and identify the trend direction, although you could just get a line draw it on the chart and determine if it;s heading sideways, down or up and that would be just as good.

In Fact I will do a series on Trend Identification in the coming weeks

The Thick BLACK horizontal line is CRITICAL SUPPORT – If that level is broken – POTENTIALLY – the trend could have changed from UP to DOWN, BUT, that is not for certain – IF that happens it will be the biggest correction for a number of months – W.D. Gann said that when the size and time of a correction exceeds those of the past corrections in the trend watch out for a trend reversal – that’s exactly what we will do – KEEP WATCH.

You can see from careful study of the DAILY chart that Gann’s quote so far has FAILED – so far the largest corrections in Time and Price have FAILED to be reversal points!  Another “Market FACT” that in fact is a MYTH!  At some point Gann’s quote will come true, but I wonder after how many FAILURE POINTS!  (I reckon about 80% of what you learn about the markets is a load of crap – Elliott Wave and Gann included) But I also say that PARTS of Gann and Elliott Wave are genius and workable.

We now need to look at this S&P500 market in a different context – a higher time-frame chart to see the bigger picture – detail on the chart should be self-explanatory

WTLFGF2

Once those KEY support levels start to be taken out all you can do is watch to see where the market will find support – no-one knows where it will find support, people will try to guess such as 61.8% fib level of X-X, or 50% (not even a FIB level!) of X-X – but they never tell you EXACTLY which levels will provide the resistance or which high and low to work off, that’s because they DON’T KNOW, it;s all ifs and buts in the markets – at least I’m honest about it!

For me the crucial support levels are the ones I’m watching anything up to them is just market noise and a standard potential correction in progress.

Just remember that NO-ONE, me included knows exactly where and when this market will top or bottom out – If you throw enough guesses at the thing eventually you’ll get it right! BEWARE of predictions.

Oh and another point, people keep bleating on about QE1 turning the market in 2009 – QE1 was an accounting trick – no real money entered the markets! So how that managed to pump the market higher I’ll never know, if markets can rise on fresh air all we need is a giant fan aimed at the markets with a hint of QE rumour and they should propel ever more higher.

What to Look for going forward the next part will be posted in a month or so time – until that uptrend changes to do guess what the trend direction is?  Up that’s right

Hope it helps.

 

Update on Time Cycles

I’m writing this post early Thursday 3rd April 2014, I’m writing it assuming that the March 29th 2014 market cycle I’ve previously talked about has FAILED/NOT WORKED – If over the next 2 days the markets commence a multi-month sell-off then I’ll have to revise this post with the data

We will still have to watch Thursdays and Fridays market action but if the market continues UP then we have to take it on the chin and assume that the cycle has had no effect on the market. (I’m looking at the S&P500 Index).

If you’re like me these Time Cycles are not essential to how you trade, they are there in a what if scenario, something to be aware of and act on if it becomes obvious a turning point is upon you etc.

For me that’s pretty much it now for the rest of the year on cycles, there’s a couple of minor ones during the summer and another expectation on something different from summer – October time.  I’ll not mention them here, I think I have mentioned them in other blog posts but they are minor and I’m not basing too much on it.  Students know about the October cycle.

Did I trade the March 29th Cycle?  Nope.

I’m truly hoping that if you’ve been following my cycle analysis you’ve picked up on something – it CANNOT be relied on to tell you every twist and turn of the market – that I’m afraid is impossible – anyone thinking “Well Elliott Wave can tell me that” – no it can’t, if it could they’d be no need for alternative counts, EW is good, but it is not precise and never will be.  As I’ve mentioned many times before it;s probably the best thing out there for labelling waves correctly in hindsight, but even as we speak the EW experts have recently had to alter their wave counts to suit market conditions!

Let me be real clear on this, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING works precisely in the trading world.

Looking forward:

Well first let’s look backwards – the 2000, 2002, 2007 & 2009 market cycles came in bang on time.  The 2013 cycle sort of worked but so far the chart (S&P500) says it didn’t, that MIGHT change when we have much more price data available on the charts.  Referring to the May 2013 Time Cycle a 7.5% drop was not enough for my liking to confirm the cycle – it MUST make a print on a MONTHLY chart that is noticable and May 2013 was not – If you view the same date on the FTSE100 Index then you can see the effect it’s having on the FTSE100 Index ( sideways trading range for nearly 12 months!)

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As you know the above Time Cycle was due between May 20th-28th 2013 and it came bang in to the day, I was hoping this effect occurred on the S&P500 chart rather than the FTSE100 but I trade both so no problems for me, but those in the USA that just focus on the S&P500 it is a problem as that market has continued to RISE.

Moving on, the next set of dates are in mid 2015 and then end of 2016.  the most important of those being the 2016 date.

If I threw enough time cycles on the chart one would hit, to me that’s not accurate, I want virtual exactness, the 2016 date should be a LOW and it should be pretty accurate, however, the 2017 date could also impede the 2016 date a little – either way 2016-17 should be a LOW point in the market.

This cycle has been pretty much spot on for over 200 years

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I’ve coloured the 2016 date RED – for me this signifies something and makes the date stand out.

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There is no way to know how or If a Time cycle will act or comply with a possible date until it happens, this means you have to have a suitable way to trade whatever happens.

My outlook for the year 2014 still remains up into the general March area and then either sideways or down into October and then up around October time for the year end.

My outlook from now until 2016 is still sideways (preferred outlook) or outright bearish.

BUT whatever actually happens I’ll be trading as per my rules of trading, not based on hope or assumptions.

 

 

ESSENTIAL/MUST read

It’s not often that I do this – it’s a Saturday afternoon and I’ve interrupted my day to post this.

You have to read the March 2014 issue of Elliott Wave Theorist – it does mean BUYING it, you don’t obtain this type of information for free I’m afraid.  You will need to subscribe to the Elliott Wave Theorist to obtain March 2014 issue

You are highly unlikely EVER to read the content of the report in the mainstream media and it also helps to confirm/back-up what I’ve been saying about the Fed and USA Government.  If you’re an American then the implications are massive not only for your Investments but your lives, If you’re not an American citizen then it’s bound to have an impact on your Investments/Life to some degree – better to be prepared, than “suddenly out of the blue” find out

In fact this report/months EWT applies to EVERYBODY in the world, it is that important, all I can do is alert you (you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t force it to drink) you’ve been alerted!

Here’s a link:

http://www.elliottwave.com/r.asp?rcn=statgrphc&url=/wave/022114aff&tcn=ag022114&acn=hvt1211

Very Long-Term charts

If you are at all interested in the markets then these are worth a peek:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-08/long-term-charts-1-american-markets-independence