Can Stock Values Simply “Disappear”?

This is a great reminder as I encountered people who couldn’t understand this over the past few weeks – As you should know I don’t subscribe to the Author’s views on Elliott Wave Theory – just the content of the post.

Can Stock Values Simply “Disappear”? Yes.

And it’s happened before, too — just think back to the 2007-2009 financial crisis

By Elliott Wave International

On Wednesday (Jan. 13) CNBC reported that,

“Almost $3.2 trillion has been wiped off the value of stocks around the world since the start of 2016, according to calculations by a top market analyst. U.S. stocks are now off $1.77 trillion, while overseas stocks are down $1.4 trillion.”

Stocks rallied on Thursday — but then tanked even harder on Friday, which probably made that $3.2 trillion figure even bigger.

But how can that be? Doesn’t money simply move from one asset class to another?

Our readers have asked us this question before — especially during the 2007-2009 financial crisis, when 54% of the Dow’s value got erased in just 18 months.

You may be wondering this, too. Well, here’s an answer — from Ch. 9 of Bob Prechter’s New York Times Business bestseller, Conquer the Crash:

Financial Values Can Disappear

(Excerpt, Conquer the Crash, ch. 9)

People seem to take for granted that financial values can be created endlessly seemingly out of nowhere and pile up to the moon. Turn the direction around and mention that financial values can disappear into nowhere, and they insist that it is not possible. “The money has to go somewhere … It just moves from stocks to bonds to money funds … It never goes away … For every buyer, there is a seller, so the money just changes hands.”

That is true of the money, just as it was all the way up, but it’s not true of the values, which changed all the way up.

Asset prices rise not because of “buying” per se, because indeed for every buyer, there is a seller. They rise because those transacting agree that their prices should be higher. All that everyone else — including those who own some of that asset and those who do not — need do is nothing.

Conversely, for prices of assets to fall, it takes only one seller and one buyer who agree that the former value of an asset was too high. If no other bids are competing with that buyer’s, then the value of the asset falls, and it falls for everyone who owns it. Financial values can disappear through a decrease in prices for any type of investment asset, including bonds, stocks and land.

Anyone who watches the stock or commodity markets closely has seen this phenomenon on a small scale many times. Whenever a market “gaps” up or down on an opening, it simply registers a new value on the first trade, which can be conducted by as few as two people. It did not take everyone’s action to make it happen, just most people’s inaction on the other side.

The dynamics of value expansion and contraction explain why a bear market can bankrupt millions of people. At the peak of a credit expansion or a bull market, assets have been valued upward, and all participants are wealthy — both the people who sold the assets and the people who hold the assets. The latter group is far larger than the former, because the total supply of money has been relatively stable while the total value of financial assets has ballooned. When the market turns down, the dynamic goes into reverse. Only a very few owners of a collapsing financial asset trade it for money at 90 percent of peak value. Some others may get out at 80 percent, 50 percent or 30 percent of peak value. In each case, sellers are simply transforming the remaining future value losses to someone else.

In a bear market, the vast, vast majority does nothing and gets stuck holding assets with low or non-existent valuations. The “million dollars” that a wealthy investor might have thought he had in his bond portfolio or at a stock’s peak value can quite rapidly become $50,000 or $5000 or $50. The rest of it just disappears.

You see, he never really had a million dollars; all he had was IOUs or stock certificates. The idea that it had a certain financial value was in his head and the heads of others who agreed. When the point of agreement changed, so did the value. Poof! Gone in a flash of aggregated neurons.

So, the answer comes down to “money” vs. “value.” Financial values don’t move from one asset to another. They can just disappear.

There is no time to waste

Global stocks lost $3.17 trillion in the first 2 weeks of 2016

Were you ready? Are you ready for what’s next?

You can be.

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More on the Market


Ok we’re looking at the chart ABOVE this text – Mid Cycle CRASH/PANIC, followed by market finding a level Circa 50% of the high! Then when the next UP Time Cycle starts – COMPARE ALL the charts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Next 3 years what’s the market going to do?

Thought I’d reblog this post as it serves to back up my predictions – pretty accurate, especially the UK market and the USA markets since 2013 loosely fall into these descriptions

The HOVIS Trader


The market should form a high/Top during 2013, you know my preferred month was May from previous posts and the W.D. Gann – Medium Term Market Predictions page.

That does not mean that during 2014 a new price high can’t be conjured up by the market, it’s highly unlikely  but could happen.

When you look at a weekly/monthly chart of the S&P500 and especially of the Nasdaq you should be able to easily tell that the overall trend of the 3 year period has been flat to down.  IF new highs are recorded during 2014 then I would expect it will be quick poke higher and then a drop – NOT continued bullish price appreciation – IF price does form a bullish continual ascent then my outlook for the future is totally and utterly screwed.

Warning:  the only way of knowing for sure if I’m right or wrong…

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Buy signal


Relief rally of something more?

Who knows, a buy signal was given – it didn’t meet the requirements exactly but it was very very close, lets see how (if) far it jumps – might be a few decent % gains in it

The market HAS, HAS to be positive at the end of today’s trading, if not the Buy signal was false

Lets see what happens in the days/weeks that follow.



Recent Market Action

It’s always good to look at the headlines and then look at market action now compared to previous times = NOTHING out of the ordinary!








FTSE100 (UK)

EVERY market is displaying normal market action, REMEMBER markets do move up and down in decent % gains/losses most of the time – Investors of the past few years have been spoilt rotten by the markets as they’ve mostly risen!

UK Market = FTSE100

Does not look too good, August 15 lows have yet to be taken out so its standing fast so far, but compare it to US markets, If they drop further then expect lower prices on the FTSE100

US Markets for me are still bullish, UK market teetering, but the August 2015 LOWS are still intact = Biased to the long side still, but warning signs are flagging.

11 Months to go


11 Months to go EXACTLY

until the current BEARISH Time Cycle ENDS and the next UP/Inflationary 17 Year Time Cycle


Market sections – Familar?

Of course they are – the same Time Cycles cause these market patterns

That is WHY the generic pattern is the same

BEARISH Deflationary Time Cycles first =

DJIA 1897-1917

1897-Dec 1914

DJIA 1965-1985